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QUADFECTA MARTIAL ARTS!

What you need versus what you want. What do you think you want versus what you really need? Sports? Hobby? Desperate self defense? Combatives? Most people don’t know, can’t tell the difference.     

We’ve already discussed what person, what trainer-instructor to choose back in the WHO segment. What subjects of training taught by this person should be prioritized. If you are skipping sports and arts as I have done long ago, hopefully you will find a dedicated, generic, “clean” combatives instructor. 

You’ve probably heard about the word Trifecta (three-bees,) but how about QUADfecta (four-bees?) Yeah. It exists in the Fourth Dimension, no big deal according to…Dr. Strange. (and numerous other brilliant scientists these days alerting the world to other dimensions!)
 
Beyond the interview, beyond the avoidance, past the de-escalation, when push comes to shove, etc., in reality we struggle-fight the big three: criminals, enemy soldiers and our “drunk uncles” (you remember, “drunk uncles’ is a nickname I use for all those relatives and friends who act up.) 
 
4-D? Any one of those below categories alone is one dimensional. Only two are two dimensional. Three, Three dimensional. BUT we are now in the Multiverse says Dr. Strange (and so do MANY 
leading scientists by the way!) so we enter the FOURTH dimension, so to speak. The Quadfecta.
 
In researching solutions, I investigate the Martial Quadfecta:
  • 1: Kickboxing
  • 2: Ground n’ pound
  • 3: Wrestling (I prefer Catch wrestling over BJJ) to learn to control your drunk uncle, family and friends.
  • 4: Weapons (modern sticks, knives, guns, not ancient stuff).
      What if any, can I use-adopt from these four sources for fighting crime and war, Some people like to say “steal” from these sources, some say “take” or “co-op.” “Borrow?” “Adopt.” Whatever. I am always on the hunt, while still keeping it checkers not chess, (simple checkers not complicated chess) running it all through the 5Ws and H questions. Picking and choosing materials should be debated by people with a high “4-D Martial I.Q.,” as in smart enough to make good decisions.
 
“Staying in your lane,” your one, two, three dimensional lanes. If teaching a one, two or even three-dimensional martial arts I would hesitate to advertise I was also teaching self defense, etc. You’re not really. You are barefoot, tip-toeing around the Quadfecta.   
 
Lots of folks like being in their one or two or three dimensions martial arts lanes. Hey, great. I’m happy if you’re happy. All I ask is don’t be ignorant about what limited universes you are in. Know where your limited dimensions fit in the Multiverse. Hobby away. Exercise away. Have great fun and great comraderie. You are up and off the proverbial couch. Fantastic. Just don’t try to advertise-tell a police or military war vet you are teaching real-deal, self-defense-combatives. We ain’t buying it. Crime and war does that to a person. Practitioners should seek those vets or people certified by those vets. And even then we aren’t perfect either, we are all just works in progress, but some further down the lane…er, I mean “line.”
 
(I wonder if anyone will ever call their new school-system “Quadfecta Martial Arts. You can! I haven’t copyrighted it, I won’t. I just really like the idea of spreading “Quadfecterism.”)
 

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KNOWING “WHERE” YOU ARE IN A FIGHT

IT’S PROPRIOCEPTION!
Who, what, where, when, how and why? The BIG “W’s and H” questions that one answers in a fight (and life).
 
“Where?” There are so many “where” questions to answer. One is knowing where your body parts are when you are not looking at them or can’t see them. Oh, I know the word is more technical and diverse than that, and normal people deal with the subject to improve normal activity, rehab injuries and surgeries and fight back age. But we? Oh we…we here, worry about…fighting. Where are your body parts when you are not looking at them in a fight? Especially a ground fight? Horizontal, not vertical?
 
“Proprioception is an important sensory function for all normal movement activities, including the ability to maintain dynamic balance and move accurately. All exercises elicit proprioceptive responses to some extent.” 
 
The subject is teaching ground-fighting and one of the challenges for practitioners and teachers is not-knowing, not-seeing their body parts in a “horizontal world,” and of course moving in “flat” unfamiliar movements.
 
I often have to tell grounded practitioners to “FREEZE! Freeze right there!” I step in and grab their legs, knees, feet, whatever into the advantageous position. Lest of all have them freeze and say “take this elbow and strike this face right here,” because they are: a) brainwashed wrestlers, or b) new to the horizontal world, and cannot make the proprioception connection. Out of sight, out of mind.
 
Ground fighting to a combatives person is, (or certainly should be):
  • Ground maneuverings
  • Knee-high versus standing.
  • Knee-high versus knee-high.
  • Knee-high topside versus those below.
  • On right side versus all…
  • On left side versus all…
  • On back versus topside.
  • On back versus kneeling.
  • On back versus standing.
  • (I include “seated” in this grouping.)
  • All strikes and kicks included.
  • Use of force laws & military rules of engagement, if any?
  • Hand, stick, knife, gun (pistol and long gun).
  • The vital W’s and H questions.
  • This is the 6th Stop, the Stop 6 of the Stop 6 “The Ground Fighting Collision,” my outline list.
 
Horizontal time in grade, reps, experience, coaching, all contribute to proprioception exercise. While wrestlers (including BJJ-ers) are developing or have developed this ground-fight awareness, combatives people and “stand-up-only-arts” who only dabble in ground fighting don’t, won’t, and haven’t achieved similar awareness.  Modern MMA people work on it, (but without weapons and cheating). You can see the importance of organized doctrine timetables.
 
Another term for this, a bit more heard of, but not by much, is “Kinesthetic Perception.” I would suggest searching on the word to get the fullest understanding of it. Here’s one link, but continue the hunt.
 
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Hock’s email is Hock@SurvivalCentrix.com
 

Beat, Break, Damage or Wait? Real “Ground” Fighting

It is the duty of every martial person to learn each joint and the directions they go in and the directions they don’t go in, standing thru on the ground, whether they think they are studying “survival fighting” or “arts/sports.” This joint knowledge is useful and can comes from many sources. (My personal favorite being “Catch Wrestling,” and bits from here and there.)
 
 
The “ground.” Ever been fighting someone on the so-called “ground?” And I mean – 
  • on the tile floor?
  • on the the cement?
  • on the asphalt?
  • on a stairway?
  • a gravel picnic ground?
  • a slimy hillside in the pouring rain?
  • a room full of furniture?
  • accomplices around?
I have. Arresting people. I’ve worked in the field,  line operations, spanning three decades. I’ve caught people in the act and served many warrants.
 
So, you get some control. And you hold on in a submission. It seems stabilized, but now I have to transition to handcuffs. I might struggle through several holds/transitions to travel to that goal and geography, as well as get one hand free/loose to get the cuffs out. If I lose the hold, lose control, the fight just continues, unlike mat sport, tap-outs. Unless the guy is totally exhausted (which happens at times, thank goodness), when you let go, loose control, the other guy just keeps right on fighting again. Injured or not (remember what adrenaline does), you cannot depend on holds, submissions to end a fight situation.
 
Lots of times my submission holds might mean my partner, or arriving back up jumps in, to help (whew!) I wait a short time or  worse, a longer time? How much time, though ? How long can I keep an angry, resisting person in a submission hold?  And, I have not always had backup.
 
(In my later years, we could not choke anyone. In the 1970s and 80s, chokes were a great police tool.)
 
 
So, what does a civilian do? Beat him, break him, damage him up, or wait? And one must consider the legal issues with each.
– Beating is ground and pound.  
– Breaking him his breaking up body parts. 
– Damaging is busting him up, but not to the breaking point. 
– But waiting? Submissions? Waiting  for what? Wait for who? What happens next?
 
I must repeat though, It is the duty of every martial person to learn each joint and the directions they go in and the directions they don’t go in, standing thru on the ground, whether they think they are studying “survival fighting” or “arts/sports.” This body joint knowledge is useful and can comes from many sources. You still simply have to know this material. 
 
My personal path is one of “no hero-worship,” no “system-worship,” as martial arts are cluttered with these distractions.  I am not a hobbyist, nor a “joiner.” I am a skeptic. An analyzer. A survivalist. Your path is your path.  Whatever path, get on the path of learning the joints and which ways they do and do not twist and bend.
 
 
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Hock’s email is HockHochheim@ForceNecessary.com